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Misc Manners: How do I avoid appropriating intersexed identity when I transitioned to be a ‘hermaphrodite’?

With my ‘Misc Manners’ non-binary etiquette hat on, I answer a question from the comments at PracticalAndrogyny.com

Ash asks:

The point about not appropriating intersexed identity is not a new one for me, but it’s one I always struggle with because I only “appropriate” it to the same extent that any postoperative transsexual “appropriated” the gender they have to (at least say they) “live as” to get the surgery. I do make the sex/gender definition, and I would always use terms like “ambiguous” or “hermaphrodite” to describe myself because it’s the obvious physical description of my current state. Which is largely due to how I had myself surgically remodelled, which was largely due to my gender identity. I suppose I could use trans-hermaphrodite or something like that, but like many transsexuals I get pissed off with being judged to be “really” the gender they labelled me at birth and so I don’t necessarily want out myself as not-born-this-way to everyone when I make reference to my sex.

What sort of language would you suggest as being more respectful to people born intersexed while avoiding having my gender/sex dismissed as not “real” but “just” a binary-sexed person who goes in for body modification? I’m not trying to be argumentative here, by the way, I’m interested in what you have to say. I bet if anyone has a useful and well thought out response to this question it will be you!

Misc Manners replies:

Hi Ash, I think you might find this Privilege Denying Non-Binary Person macro relevant to why dyadic by birth people should not use intersex terms. It illustrates the point of privilege that non-binary people who consensually transition in adulthood have over intersex people who are subjected to non-consensual surgeries and “treatment” throughout their childhood and adolescence.

The majority of people of intersex experience consider themselves to be binary gendered in adulthood, and consider their intersexual bodies or histories a physical or medical issue rather than a matter of identity. Most intersex people would consider the term ‘hermaphrodite’ to be a slur. Those intersex people who hold non-binary gender identities tend to consider themselves intersex and transgender (or genderqueer) rather than simply intersex. At least in the past, the intersex community used the term ‘intergender’ to talk about the experience of feeling one’s identity to be between the binary options, as they recognised that the majority of intersex people do not have that experience.

With the intersex appropriation issue aside, I also would be very nervous about an identity defined and policed on the basis of whether a person was able to obtain surgery. I consider it harmful and problematic to conflate identities and ‘transition goals’ in that way. Non-binary people have our gender identities (or lack of gender identities) regardless of whether we feel the need to ‘transition’ in any part. I find it most helpful to take every aspect of ‘transition’ as a separate decision and not assume that our identities come as a ‘package deal’. I recommend the same of binary identified trans people as well.

I think that for most transsexual people the configuration of their genitals is something private and not directly connected to the identities they present to the world. The majority of trans men do not undergo genital reconstructive surgery but still consider themselves to be men (and are likely to consider their genitals to be male regardless of how society defines them) and an increasingly large proportion of trans women are also opting to be ‘non-operative’ without feeling that they are any less female.

So to conclude, I would recommend referring to yourself as being ‘physically androgynous’, or if you wish to be more specific, ‘genitally androgynous’. You may also find it appropriate to talk about your identity as ‘intergender’ or describe yourself as an ‘androgyne’, which in its earliest recorded usage in the 1500s was used as a synonym for hermaphrodite but which has no intersexual slur word connotations.

If you have any questions of non-binary or genderqueer etiquette for our resident agony parental sibling please feel free to drop them in an Ask :)

You can also send your questions to the excellent Ask A Non-Binary tumblr, where a panel of non-binary people will give their considered answers.

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transpride:

1. Ask permission to ask questions. Even if you think you know they are comfortable answering, they may actually not be or maybe not in that setting, and it is just rude and pretty off-putting to not ask. Say, “Hey do you mind if I ask you some things about your transition? I’ve been a little curious – feel free to not answer or say no.”

2. Avoid private and personal questions. Even a so-called open book like me doesn’t want to discuss my sex life with most anyone. If you really want to know about trans men and sex, ask in general terms – i.e. “Are many trans men ‘stone butch’ in bed?” vs. “Are you stone butch in bed?” BIG difference.

3. Do not ask questions that in any way challenge the trans person’s gender identity or expression or could obviously lead to dysphoria. Do NOT, for example, ask if a trans man will grow to be ‘average male height’ or if a trans woman is uncomfortable with the size of her hands. I’ve gotten, “Are you ever going to look your age?” Ouch, honey.

4. Phrase your questions in a way that affirms a trans person’s gender. And avoid anything that defines the trans person in terms of who they once “were.” This is pretty simple, actually. Instead of asking if someone is “still legally female,” ask what the steps are to becoming legally male and if they have completed them.

5. Avoid comparisons to non-trans people and never use the term “real” in distinguishing between transgender and non-transgender people. “Cisgender” or “non-trans” are the only appropriate ways to signify non-trans status.

6. If it is a general question, try Google first. There is a lot of information on the internet and an open trans person should not be a stand-in for your own research.

7. Do not ask what the person’s birth name was. There is absolutely no reason for you to need to know this and it is likely something this person wants distance from. It is a particularly offensive question when phrased, “What is your REAL name.” After all, Sebastian is my real name and has been since I started asking people to use it.

8. Request specific permission to ask questions relating to genitalia, even if you’ve already received general permission to ask other personal questions. “Are you comfortable discussing your genitalia?” Chances are they aren’t. After all, do you want to talk about yours? But some people are and I acknowledge that there is definitely education needed on the topic so I am not opposed entirely to asking questions, as long as you get extra permission first.

9. Be wary of your phrasing. If you aren’t sure how to talk about trans issues, you need to announce that in the beginning. Be open to correction and don’t get defensive if a trans person is offended by something you say. As a heads up, don’t refer to a trans person as their previously-assigned gender – don’t say “when you were a girl” to a trans man for example. A more accurate and safer route is “before you transitioned” or “when you were living as a girl.”

10. Be aware of your setting. These are private conversations. Don’t approach someone at a crowded party or in algebra class and expect them to have a trans chat with you.

11. Be sensitive to the person’s comfort level throughout the conversation. If they’ve given you permission but are obviously growing uncomfortable discussing things, don’t press. Be grateful for the information you’ve gained and change the subject.

12. Respect the person’s privacy. Unless this person stated otherwise, the personal information they gave you is not for you to share with the world.

Great list, here’s an addition:

13. Unless they have already chosen to tell you, do not ask what gender the person was assigned at birth. This could also be phrased as ‘But what are you really?’, ‘Are you FtM or MtF?’ or ‘Are you transmasculine or transfeminine?’, either way, if someone tells you that they identify outside of the gender binary, do not ask questions in an attempt to place them within it.

There are times when such information might be relevant, such as when talking about someone’s past or their experiences when transitioning (assuming they identify with the concept of ‘transition’) but in most situations this is on a level with asking someone’s name at birth (in that it can forever change how that person is seen) and so should only be asked (with sensitivity) when it’s directly relevant.

If a non-binary person hasn’t disclosed this information when talking about their past, they’re likely intentionally choosing not to do so. Ask yourself, why do you need to know this information?

(Source: transpride, via breakthebinary)

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badgersottersandllamas:

The Part Your Parents Left Out

Okay, let’s sit down and talk about this. You’ve known “girl” to be a person with ladyparts and “guy” to be a person with manparts. A loving relationship means mummy and daddy. When you see something different than that, you’re understandably confused and curious. You’re essentially a kid dealing with something new, and naturally want to ask questions.

Whoops! That’s the first mistake many people make. You want to ask the person “who what why where when how,” so you do. But you have to know that you’re dealing with their personal life. Asking all those questions and prying into their life (sex, gender, pre-op, post-op, and so on) makes them feel like a monkey in a zoo cage. They’re unique to you, but they’re just themselves in their own head, and most people want to keep their heads as their own. You can’t back them into a corner and expect answers from them. It’s not even polite to “ask anyway” and say they don’t have to reply. Reminding them of the pain they’ve gone through is not a nice thing.

That’s our second point. Have you ever been somewhere where you knew nobody in the room liked you? Like you didn’t belong? Remember that feeling, and pretend that’s the way you feel everywhere you go. Imagine someone you’ve never met before glaring at you the whole day. It’s not an exaggeration. Most people don’t like to accept things they aren’t used to, so people who are different face a lot of pain when they try to be friends with the world. Remember that and be kind.

How do you satisfy your curiosity, then? We live in a wonderful age of technology and instant information. Google will let you find sites like Wikipedia or LGBTQAPI forums which can tell you all the facts you would ever want to know. But when you’re dealing with an actual person, treat them just as they’ve asked you to treat them and don’t try to force yourself too far with them.

(Source: applepiesbitch)

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